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  • #411501
    SC
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    My neighbor gave me some of these to try out and so far I am very impressed for the price. I purchased more and received them today.

    My load data
    23.5gr SMP 735 (This is a surplus ball powder with a touch faster burn rate than H335)
    Tula KVB-223 small rifle primer
    FC headstamp case (probably from M193 ball, had the primer crimp that had to be removed)
    Seated to fit an AR magazine, 2.250″ OAL

    Out of my match rifle with a 1:7 twist Krieger barrel, I am seeing groups between 0.3-0.5 MOA at 100 yards.

    Tomorrow I am going to try the 300 yards range with them using my AR and a Remington LTR. I am also going to try a load with Shooters World Precision Powder. Will update with data.

    #413678
    Robert Nichols
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    I have used the 69gr Sierra MK or Nosler CC for years. I tested some Priv Partizan in 69 gr as well. I then found these, in stock, during the thing they called a pandemic, and they worked great. The go to load has been 25.70gr of Win 748 (from Ladder Testing), seated to 2.260, with CCI450 (needed to get 748 going). Cases are Lake City 16 sorted to 92.0-92.4gr. I shot several 10rd strings through my CED Chronograph with the following results (avg) 2888fps, STD = 7.7, ES 27. Rifle is a BCM with 20″barrel. Shoots pretty tight groups ~ 0.5-1.0MOA. Only negative is 748 is fairly dirty, but rifle functions just fine (based on thousands of these rounds through this rifle).

    #417166
    SC
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    I might be turning my load down a touch to 23.0 SMP735. The 23.5 shoots fine in my AR and match gun but primers are starting to crater and show signs of flatness in the Remington.

    I need to run some chrono tests to see how consistent the velocity is.

    #419764
    hl2bow
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    I won a thousand of these last year at the Parma high desert three gun competition and paired them with a cci small rifle magnum primer 24.5 grains of tac and once fired FC cases sized with a SB die and trimmed to length , I seated them to magazine length And taper crimped the bullets using a Redding taper crimp die and proceeded to test fire them in multiple weapons from my competition. AR and several other gas guns to my coyote and rat guns both bolt action the results through all testing were excellent and an improvement over my traditional loads in that bullet weight range from 62-75 grains I was producing sub 1/2 moa groups at 100 with my 3 gun rifle and less than with my bolt guns , other miscellaneous ARs threw them into an inch or less. I plan on purchasing 6000 for hunting and competition this month if you still have them.

    Thanks for producing such a great product and I will be sure to spread the word.

    #422605
    Fatboy
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    I bought 500 of these about 10days ago shipping was super fast (thanks for that)!!!! I’ve loaded up about 150 with 3 different powders and have had no success. My tools are a 16″ Areo M4E1 1in 7tw. And a build with a 5.56 16″ with a 1in 8tw. I’ve tried varget sw tactical imr8208 with cci 41 primers. Any advice??

    #422613
    Robert Nichols
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    I posted this earlier in the tread, but in case you didnt see it, here it is again.

    The go to load has been 25.70gr of Win 748 (from Ladder Testing), seated to 2.260, with CCI450 (needed to get 748 going). Cases are Lake City 16 sorted to 92.0-92.4gr. I shot several 10rd strings through my CED Chronograph with the following results (avg) 2888fps, STD = 7.7, ES 27. Rifle is a BCM with 20″barrel. Shoots pretty tight groups ~ 0.5-1.0MOA. Only negative is 748 is fairly dirty, but rifle functions just fine (based on thousands of these rounds through this rifle).

    The load is fairly well known and has been published in a few places (Ziedker). It was actually 25.5gr, as published, with a 69gr SMK. I just did ladder testing and my node came out to be 25.70, but I did note that 25.40 was almost as good. If you use WIN 748 anywhere in that range you cant go wrong. FYI, Im using a scale with +/- 0.02gr accuracy and weight sorted fully prepped cases, and yes, it makes a difference.

    #422621
    Fatboy
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    Hello sir! I didd read this my only problem is I dont have any 748…lol I do have cfe223 and black which I haven’t tried yet. Thanks for the post! As soon as I can get some 748 ill try it

    #422623
    Fatboy
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    Not black…auto correct its BL-C2

    #422740
    SC
    Participant

    Fatboy-

    What kind of issues are you having? Accuracy? Function?

    If you are not having success with 8208XBR or Varget, then you need to look at other variables.

    Check your powder drops to be sure that they are consistent. 8208 flows really well for me.

    Sort brass by headstamp. Do you put a crimp on your finished round? I find that a light crimp really helps with a semi auto.

    #422747
    Fatboy
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    Good morning sir!!
    My issue is accuracy I’m still very new to reloading and I have O.C.D. bad. Lol.
    All my brass is separated by brand and caliber 223/5.56. I really think its just a matter of fine tuning to make them work for me.

    #422768
    Robert Nichols
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    Good Morning to you as well. Funny thing. I have a Fatboy Motorcycle (Harley) with a license plate of MYFTBOY. FYI.

    Reloading and Marksmanship together are an Art and a Science. When I first started reloading, I just wanted to hear the gun go bang. Over the last 25yrs, I’ve studied enough material to get a degree in it. The more you shoot the better you get, but you have to be able to differentiate the difference between the shooter and the ammo. I have good days and bad days, ammo is the same.

    I have found that most all powders fit for a particular caliber can arrive at good ammo. Some can be awesome ammo. However, there are soooo many factors that work together to get those groups down to 1/2 to 1/4 MOA. Remember, 1MOA is damm good shooting. It starts with good components. Let me give you an example. If you take a pile of range brass (different headstamps), size it, prime it, fill it with powder with a load recommended in a manual and top it off with a decent bullet, and then run it through a chronograph, you will find that the velocity varies dramatically ( ~ 150 fps, tested). Now, if I buy Nosler, Norma or Lapua in bulk, separate cases by weight and run-out (case neck thickness), uniform the primer pockets and flash holes, seat the primer .002 from flush, use some high end bullets, choose a bullet profile that works well in your barrel, perform ladder testing at .2 to .3gr increments to find the velocity node (which means the spot that has a dramatically reduced velocity spread), and find the seating depth the produces the best accuracy, you will arrive at ammo that has the capability to shoot 1/4 MOA with velocity spread of 15fps and a STD 4.4. The difference between these two sets of ammo is that you can put them both in a vise and shoot them at 500yds and the first group will string vertically (8 to 10 inchs) and the second will be 1/4 to 1/2 MOA. Thats just taking the shooter out of the equation. You also have to have the right tools to measure things.

    That said. I bought the RMR 69gr bullets because of the price. I developed the load I mentioned with 69gr SMK. It shot exceptionally well. People use the SMK because it shoots very well in most rifles, and that’s because it has a forgiving, Tangent, bullet profile. I dont know what the bullet profile is for the RMRs, but it looks like its closer to Tangent??? I will have to test for accuracy and compare the two. Keep in mind that the rifles I am talking about above are high end long distance rifles that I built for that purpose. The 5.56, AR 15, is not build for accuracy. Its designed to get a lot of high velocity rounds down range fast. If you get a AR 15 to shoot 1 MOA, call it a day and move on with your life.

    #422784
    Fatboy
    Participant

    Well sir I guess today is the day I move on with my life!! I just found the sweet spot I’ve been searching for and this morning I got the results I’ve been looking for. Im not trying to win any contest. Just some self gratification and hoping I didnt waste my money. I also have a fatboy 2009 custom build by yours truly. I am now liking this bullet and will be making a bigger purchase soon!!! Way to go RMR!!!

    #422786
    Fatboy
    Participant

    And thank you for all of your input its guys like you that make my trying alot easier and I greatly appreciate that. Keep the rubber on the road my friend

    #435325
    Kevin Rehm
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    Anyone got pics of these bullets in ballistic gel? Id like to see what they look like abd how well they expand. Ty

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