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February 23, 2023 at 7:53 pm #478071
Joe in Missouri
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I have a Competition Electronics ProChrono I got from Midway.
Last year I did manage to shoot it, nicking the far end with 9mm.
It was none the worse for this wound.Today I was testing a load on the 124g Nukes.
I was about 5 feet behind the thing…..And all I can figure is that the muzzle blast destroyed the LED readout!
There is no warning with any crony that this can happen.
They say not to shoot too close if you want accuracy but never anything about self destructing the LED if you are too close!I also noticed that there is zero protection over the LED, if this was the cause.
Why if this could happen would you leave an LED exposed when 2 cents of plastic over the readout would have prevented this all together?Going to ask the company to warranty this even though it is out of warranty.
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February 24, 2023 at 1:23 pm #478237Joe in Missouri
ParticipantI think I figured this one out with the help of Competition Electronics.
I missed the very slight hit on the front of the chrony.
I seems that the LED’s in these things are very fragile, and it broke from the vibrations.
VERY disappointed to learn that this is not designed to come apart for simple cheap repairs.
Designed correctly one could easily swap out the sub $5 LED display, but because of the difficulty of even opening
the case they force you to send it in.And that is assuming that they would even sell me a replacement LED.
Which I even doubt that they will do.Not pleased with these devices all around.
They are not robust and they are not user serviceable.September 11, 2023 at 4:32 pm #499268Stan in Calif
ParticipantI have the same model chronograph.
Actually, it’s my 2nd.
For some reason, the first one stopped working after a . 44 mag went through it!September 12, 2023 at 6:32 am #499276Joe in Missouri
ParticipantThe scam with the manufacturers is that if a bullet goes though it and does not kill it….. the manufacturer still will kill your warranty from that point forward.
The entire chrony “warranty” is a huge scam.
They CAN NOT tell if the bullet nicks or holes are actually the cause of the thing not working…… so they ASSUME that any bullet damage caused the problem even though it worked that way for years.
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September 12, 2023 at 9:02 pm #499344cbmay48
ParticipantI had a Competition Electronics Pro Chrono that I used for 15 years or so, with no problems. I upgraded to their Blue Tooth capable DLX model about 18 months ago and gave my old one with the wired remote to my son. Both of them still work quite well, probably because when using them all rounds were fired from a solid rest at least 10 feet from the chronograph. So neither of them have had bullets through them. Did you consider taking them up on their offer of repairing your damaged chronograph for 1/2 the cost of a new one? Or you could wait until Midway has another sale on them. If I recall, I got mine on my birthday special for around $110 18 months ago.
September 13, 2023 at 9:41 am #499360Joe Durnbaugh
KeymasterI’m on my 3rd Competition Electronics chrono. The first one I purchased in 1988. Then one day about 7 or 8 years ago it just didn’t work. I sent it back and they replaced it with a newer version for a minimal replacement fee. It worked fine, until my house fire 2 years ago. The insurance money bought me a new, Blue Tooth capable model. I also use their shot timers. In my experience, they’re a stand up company that stands behind their products. Like RMR. One of my personal laws is, don’t shoot your chronograph.
September 15, 2023 at 7:52 am #499424Joe in Missouri
Participant“…..taking them up on their offer of repairing your damaged chronograph for 1/2 the cost of a new one….”
The morons never would mention a cost of repair.
I was less than impressed with this company.
Who would send in a unit when they won’t tell you what the cost of repair is?The fact that they void the warranty if there is a hit on the plastic housing (that does not necessarily damage the electronics)
tells me that they are dishonest as it gets.August 28, 2024 at 7:28 pm #519310Asking4afriend
ParticipantIMHO, add $200 to the price of your next ProChrono and pick up a LabRadar Chrono (the original, not the new one) from Midway instead. The carry case is a nice add-on, just about any tri-pod will do and get a USB power bank for primary power (carry 6 AAs as back up). You’ll drop $450-500, but you’ll never shoot it and it gives you way more info than those all-in-one units.
August 30, 2024 at 8:37 am #519370Joe in Missouri
ParticipantThanks for the information I went to Midway and as usual it’s a Mensa test to try to even understand what they’re selling and what it does that I couldn’t make any sense whatsoever out of this Chrono that you linked me to not your fault Midway needs to do a better job. I don’t know how they sell any of these but they had copy they use.
August 30, 2024 at 9:12 am #519371Asking4afriend
ParticipantYou can go to LabRadar’s website to read a description of what the unit can do.
https://mylabradar.com/product/chronograph/
If you click on the “Download” tab at the top of that page you can select the “Labradar” tab and down load the User Manual V1.5 from there.
For some reason they don’t mention the Bluetooth connectivity to a smart phone in the manual.
For demos you can go to YouTube and search “Labradar channel”. The videos discuss it’s setup and use.
I’ve had mine since 2018 (paid $649 on sale) and have used it to chrono over 4500 rounds since. The V1 has come down in price I assume because the Labradar LX is now competing with it and the Gamin Xero C1 pro.
IMHO the original Labradar Chrono has more capabilities than the newer unit. To be fair the V1’s sensitivity to smaller projectiles (e.g. .223) may not be as good. I assume that from the videos on YouTube. But it still tracks them out to 75 yards at least. If you’re shooting pistol the target must be at least 15 (preferably 25) yards away for the V1 to be accurate and the newer one infers it can be closer.
I emailed LabRadar and their sales department assured me the V1 is not being discontinued.
If you have questions about the V1 I’ll be happy to try and answer them.
October 15, 2024 at 11:27 am #521315tproehl
ParticipantJust get the new Garmin C1 Pro
October 19, 2024 at 6:56 am #521477Tommy Laing
ParticipantMy new 33 year old ProChrony crapped out last month too. Same thing, display is gone. Someone has the new display on eBay but I couldn’t figure out how to get in the old unit. I did find a used unit for $50 so I purchased that and I’m back in business.
Now I’m looking for the chorded remote so I don’t have to get up and go look at it for every shot. The Bluetooth would be nice too but my pocket book wasn’t that ambitious.October 23, 2024 at 7:40 pm #521702flyingbrass
ParticipantMy ProChrono is around 10 years old and still worked fine when I dug it out a few months ago, though I’ve not used it much in recent years. A few years ago I got sloppy and bent one of the screen rods with a .45 ACP bullet. I was too focused on reading the numbers from each shot and got too lazy when essentially point shooting the rounds through. Don’t do that.
I bought the extra bluetooth module soon after it came out (I think it cost $50ish back then). I used it for a little while but don’t bother with it any more. I don’t know about the newer versions with built in bluetooth, but what I have doesn’t offer any control from the user end. I can’t remotely change shot strings, etc. That would be a real pain at a shooting range where I would have to wait until a ceasefire to walk out to deal with the chrono. I’ve not used mine at a range because of this. Fortunately, little of my shooting is done at a range. The radar chronos have a big advantage in that situation.
Years ago my shooting buddy bought a LabRadar, which IMO was a PITA in many ways and not worth the money. It had problems from new picking up shots, and he had a bad experience dealing with their customer service. Recently we have been using a Garmin Xero, which is more of what a modern chrono should be. I have a few nitpicks about the Garmin, but overall, it’s wonderful and practically magical to someone who has dealt with optical and cranky LabRadars over the years. I wouldn’t buy an older style LabRadar today even if dirt cheap. Nor would I buy their newer model even if it’s decent due to previous poor customer service experience.
If I was going to buy a new optical chrono today I’d lean heavily toward another ProChrono because mine has been impressive for the price. Years ago I encountered an odd situation that provided some interesting information.
I had been shooting through my ProChrono from the bed of a pickup. I moved the chrono, still on its tripod, several feet to the side when my friend shot his rifle. I noticed the ProChono was registering his shots and velocities. Bullets were not passing through the chrono. It picked up the shockwaves.
Paste from an e-mail I sent to him about the results:
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The chrono was registering about 1180 FPS during your shots. It was picking up the shockwaves at the speed of sound.Sound speed at different temps:
80 degrees: 1139 FPS
100 degrees: 1160 FPS
120 degrees: 1180 FPSThe air temperature wasn’t 120, probably more like 85. The readings are slightly off because the chrono wasn’t perfectly lined up with the origin of the sound. It was rotated a little, reducing the distance between the sensors, which caused the velocity readings to be calculated higher than actual.
Similar happens with bullets, which is why it is important to keep the chrono lined up so bullets travel parallel with the top of the chrono.
Since the speed of sound is constant at a given temperature, this was a good measure of the chronograph’s precision. 12 shots were recorded.
high: 1192
low: 1180
avg: 1186
es: 12
sd: 4Specs for the ProChrono say accuracy is “+/-1% of measured velocity, or better.” I can’t vouch for accuracy, but precision was better, at least this time for a single string of 12 “shots”. The ES of 12 is a total variation of 1.01% (+/-.505%).
If the error is linear, which it may be, 1.01% would be an extreme spread of 27.3 FPS at 2700 FPS.
Based on the collected data, that’s what the chrono would show if you could fire shots all going at the same exact speed. It’s not capable of measuring super tight extreme spreads. Sure, it will occasionally report some low extreme spreads in strings of small sample size, but they don’t mean anything. It’s akin to reading ten-thousandths on calipers only precise to .001″.
——Radar chronos, even super high end ones costing tens of thousands of dollars, can have some precision and accuracy issues also. I’ve had odd average velocity readings from the LabRadar with small base .223 bullets that shouldn’t have been so different and didn’t match what happened on paper at long range to the extent that I don’t trust the readings. For $150ish I think the ProChrono is quite good, and if properly used (shooting straight through) you aren’t losing much if anything that is of practical use as far as results are concerned compared to the consumer radar units costing much more. Opticals are much less convenient to set up and use, particularly when shooting rifle prone and have to get everything aligned just right. Not much of a problem for handguns. Radar, when it works well like the Garmin Xero has so far, is much less hassle.
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