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    Anyone here who could help me with C.O.L. and powder charge for above mentioned combination?
    Is 1.230” COL and 6.4 gn feasible? Thx in advance
    Alex

    #494461
    JJE
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    I use 1.25 for plated bullets 6.4 gr CFE pistol. I’ve found lower charges leave powder burns on outside of the case. Everything I’ve seen leads me to believe you need to be at upper end of load data.

    #500361
    dwainewoodworker
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    I’ve been loading CFE Pistol with 6.3-6.4 grains with COL of 1.230″ using 230 grain hollow points. I’ve found the taper crimping die increases the bullet OAL from the seating die. I compare information from Sierra, Hornady, Speer and other manuals. Check that the rounds fit in your magazine and allows the weapon to go into battery. This load should have a velocity between 830-850 fps. I haven’t taken the opportunity to verify. They feel strong and good to me, but not overwhelming when fired. I’m satisfied with the performance of the powder. It burns clean and compete.

    #500511
    Asking4afriend
    Participant

    You didn’t say what brand .45 bullet you’re using. They vary in length and that can affect COL.

    I’ve been loading Berry’s 230gr RN (P) which they spec at .638″, which is reasonably close to the .635″ the current batch I have measures in length and X-Treme 230 gr RN (P) which I’ve measured to be 0.646″ long. I’ve been using load data for the Speer TMJ (#4880) from Speer’s load data and Lyman’s 51st edition. The Speer TMJ is spec’d at 0.655″ in length.

    The Speer data sheet shows Min load of 6.0 gr (793 fps) and Max load of 7.5 gr (973 fps) with COL 1.260″ using Federal cases and Fed 150 primers. They don’t state the test barrl length but I assume it’s 5″.

    https://reloadingdata.speer.com/SpeerReloading/Handgun scroll downanc click on the “45 Automatic 230 TMJ RN” to download the .pdf.

    The Lyman data shows Min load of 6.0 gr (665 fps) and Max load of 6.7 gr (840 fps) with COL 1.275″ using Federal cases and CCI 300 primers using a 5″ barrel.

    I haven’t tried CFEPistol in .45ACP yet but have some on hand and I’ going to load some and try the combos. I’d anticipated using 6.2,6.4 and 6.6 grains in Win cases using WLP primers and loaded to a COL of 1.250″ and 1.260″ for the initial trials for Berry’s and X-Treme bullets.

    Keep in mind the data is for a Total Metal Jacket and I’m using plated which are “softer” than a Jacketed bullet allowing for the use of a little more powder. IMHO the Max 7.5 grains listed by Speer seems overzealous. Mil-spec for a 1911 shooting a 230gr FMJ is 885 fps +/- 25 fps at 25 feet.

    Depending on how the powder performs with the plated bullets I may buy some jacketed Zero Bullet, or when RMR gets theirs to market, 230 FMJ RN and give them a whirl.

    Hope that helped.

    #503384
    Asking4afriend
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    Finally made it to the range to test the CFEPistol in .45 ACP with 230 gr RN (P) bullets.

    Firearm: 1911 style, 5″ barrel.

    The results are as follows:
    Berry’s 230 gr RN (P). Bullet Length 0.635″ (average of 10 bullets).
    R-P Case, WLP, Lee Factory Crimp (light), Cartridge OAL 1.242″.
    Temperature mid-60’s.
    Statistics (Lab Radar)
    Shots 8 10 10
    6.3 gr 6.5 gr 6.7 gr
    Avg 814 847 873
    Hi 875 866 891
    Lo 770 814 854
    ES 105 52 37
    SD 34 18 13

    X-Treme 230 gr RN (P). Bullet Length 0.646″ (average of 10 bullets).
    R-P Case, WLP, Lee Factory Crimp (light), Cartridge OAL 1.252″.
    Temperature mid-60’s.
    Statistics (Lab Radar)
    Shots 10 9
    6.4 gr 6.6 gr
    Avg 834 871
    Hi 861 899
    Lo 802 854
    ES 59 45
    SD 19 16

    Best accuracy was achieved with the Berry’s 6.7 gr load.

    Load data was derived from Lyman 51st edition and Speers Load Data for Speer TMJ (#4480)
    Test Barrel: 5″
    Bullet Length 0.655″ (spec)
    COAL: 1.260″
    Case: FED
    Primer: CCI 300 (Lyman), FED 150 (Speer)

    Maximum powder charge listed in Speers load data was 7.3 gr.
    Maximum powder charge listed in Lyman was 6.8 gr.

    Hope that helps.

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