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9MM 124 GR. RMR FMJ TRUNCATED CONE FLAT POINT MATCHWINNER BULLETS ISSUE

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  • #498003
    46yad47
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    I am fairly new to reloading but have about 3,500 quality rounds loaded. Up until rcently I have been reloading using tthe RMR 115gr RN on a Dillon 550B with no issues. Recently I switched to the above 124 GR. RMR bullets. I am loading at 1.088 plus or minus 5 thousandths. The cartridges will not fully seat in a Wilson case gauge that I have been using since day one. They do fit just fine in the Shockbottle gauge and have not caused a problem at the range. Plunk test is right on. I am using Redding dies of which I have adjusted several times trying to diagnose the problem and all the measurements on the finished cartridge are with spec’s except right at the neck which is
    .382 pretty much regardless of how far I increase the crimp. I am using the Redding micro adjust crimping die. I went back and tried the 115Gr I had been using and experience the same problem. I was using the lyman crimp die when the problem developed.

    #498005
    SC
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    If they plunk test then you are fine. The throat on the Wilson gauge is probably shorter or tighter than your barrel, and interfering with the different “ogive” on the truncated bullet.

    #498712
    Gary Smith
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    The Wilson case gages are great tools, but when I run into troubles or I’m loading for a major match, the barrel from the gun I’ll be using becomes my case gage. ALMOST foolproof! My 9mm 1911 isn’t real fussy, but my CZ Shadow 2 is.

    Understand that putting a hollow point or a flat nose on a bullet changes its mass distribution. I find it useful to measure the length of the bullets I’m using as part of my loading strategy. E.g., a 124 HP will be longer than a 124 RN, so if you don’t change the seating depth (thus OAL), the HP will be seated deeper into the case and will normally result in higher pressures and velocities.

    #498801
    Jacob Wilcox
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    It’s very likely that your OAL is too long for it to want to case gauge in the Wilson gauge. I can’t remember if that gauge has a step to represent leade/throat?

    #499242
    Asking4afriend
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    A little clarification if you don’t mind.

    Currently everything works functionally with the pistol(s) but none of your finished cartridges fit in the L.E. Wilson Pistol Max Gage, correct?

    But prior to switching to 124 gr RMR RN you loaded 3500 115 gr RMR RN on a Dillon 550B that fit in the Pistol Max Gage with no issues. After experiencing problems loading the 124 gr RMR RN you went back to the 115’s and then experienced the same problem with them. Did I get that right?

    If that describes the order in which things occurred ask yourself what changed in your setup from the initial 115 gr rounds that tested fine in the Pistol Max gage prior to loading the 124’s and then back to the 115’s.

    Were you using always using a carbide sizing die or did you use a steel die (requires lube) for the initial 115 gr and then switched to carbide for the 124 gr loads and subsequent 115 gr loads? You said you were crimping with the Lee Factory Carbide crimper when the problem developed, so you weren’t using it on the initial 3500 which did not exhibit the Case Gage problem? How did you crimp the initial 3500? Did you use the taper crimp built into the seating die or the Redding Micrometer Adjusting Seater Taper crimp. Did the micro seater taper die pass the Pistol Max gage test?

    You probably know this but the L.E. Wilson Pistol Max gages are cut with reamers made to SAAMI maximum cartridge specification. The Shockbottle gauges are cut with reamers made to minimum SAAMI chamber specification. The minimum chamber reamer cuts a chamber a maximum cartridge is guaranteed to fit (if both are to SAAMI spec) but generally chamber reamers are larger than minimum specificiation allowing for non SAAMI spec ammunition to function (i.e. Glocks unsupported chambers and reputation for shooting any brand of ammo), hence your cartridges pass the Shockbottle and plunk test and function fine in your particular chamber, but they may not work in all chambers.

    As an aside, I’ve found one advantage of using a LFC is it has a carbide ring which takes out any remaining oversize at the bottom of the cartridge (similar to Lee’s bulge buster?). I’ve had cartridges that would not initially pass the L.E. Wilson test pass after crimping with a properly adjusted LFC. In addition, cartridge trim length no longer affects the crimp. I’ve never worried about throat length on a handgun and cartridge OAL. But I don’t have any fancy barrels either. I load 9×19 on the long side due to pressure increasing as the rounds get shorter. If it’s shorter than maximum and the bullet is seated deep enough to survive chambering without changing OAL when firing off a magazine it’s good to go,

    IMHO if a cartridge won’t pass the L.E. Wilson Pistol Max gage (reload or factory) it’s nothing better than training ammo. I would never trust my life to it.

    #499358
    Joe Durnbaugh
    Keymaster

    I don’t own a case gauge. I use the plunk test, only. That said, your loads still should pass the gauge test. You said that you increased the crimp and still had the same problem? Well, I think that is your problem – too much crimp. It can cause a slight bulge just below the case mouth. You don’t need much crimp at all. Just enough to get the bell out, and possibly a little more to account for variations in case thickness and length. I try for a crimp of only 0.001″-0.002″. Also, if you are seating and crimping in the same operation, it can cause the same problem. Seat the bullet, then crimp.

    #507931
    Todd Jackman
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    I am using Hodgdon HP-38. Reloading 9mm with the RMR FMJ Truncated Cone Flat Point. Not easy to find load data for that bullet and powder. It would be nice to receive guidance for seating depth and HP-38 grains range. Thank you.

    #520421
    Dan
    Participant

    The 124 gr Match Winner is a great bullet. Yes they can be an issue with some weapons. Every gun is different. You must find the right seating depth for gun. We all heard that a million times! One of the things I tried, and was successful, after I found the PERFICT OAL, was to switch to a
    Lee Carbide taper crimp die. It will iron out any bulges, or out of roundness or distortions in the brass. It actually burnishes the brass to a nice shine. It also makes a perfect crimp, and is very fine adjustable. I now use a Lee seat die on ALL my .45acp loads also.
    Sometimes with the profile of the MW running up the feed ramp, it is possible to feel a slight bump. Also when that happens, if you measure the OAL, you may find a slight set back. This may slow the final chambering process, cause an insufficient lock up or even misfire.
    I compared 124 Match winners vs 124 RMR FMJs, many times. I use my most accurate competition gun with a Leopold Red dot on sand bags. I find NO difference in accuracy. Over the Chronograph I do find the MWs slightly more consistent, but at normal shooting distance ( 3-25yds) no effect on group size.
    On defense of the MWs, they make cleaner holes it cardboard and paper targets. With my 72 year old eyes, that is a big deal shooting IDPA competition. I am slow, and I suck, I can use every edge I can get.

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